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🗓️ 28 August 2022
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Today, we head to Princeton, New Jersey to sit with legendary writer Joyce Carol Oates. We begin with her daily routine, from writing to revision (6:34), the real-life events that inspired her new novel, Babysitter (9:09), and why she’s fascinated with examining violence in her work (14:06). Then, we walk through Oates’ early years: growing up on a farm (17:45), her literary influences (22:22), and the lasting relationship she formed with libraries (27:01).
On the back-half, Joyce revisits a 1977 journal entry on writing (28:30), how she grapples with criticism (31:20) and her complex relationship to Twitter (33:20). To close, we sit with love (40:05), loss (43:40), and why, at age eighty-four, she continues to tell new stories (50:22).
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0:54.3 | welcome to the show. Today I'm joined by the legendary writer Joyce Carol Oates. |
1:13.4 | Since her debut in 1964, Joyce has published over 50 novels, |
1:19.0 | including a Garden of Earthly Delights, |
1:21.6 | them, The Falls, and Jack of Spades. |
1:25.0 | She's also written national bestsellers like We Are the Mulvaney's and Blonde, |
1:31.0 | the latter of which has just been adapted into a film starring Anna to Armis, out next month on Netflix. |
1:37.0 | Her latest work is called Babysitter, a heart-racing thriller of Love and Deceit, set against the backdrop of 1970s Detroit. |
1:46.3 | It's there in an affluent suburb just outside the city where a child serial killer is on the loose. |
1:53.2 | The novel is inspired by the real case of the babysitter killer, |
1:57.0 | who struck in Oakland County, Michigan |
1:59.6 | and was never apprehended. |
2:01.6 | You can find babysitter in your local bookstore, audible, or wherever you get your books. |
2:07.0 | This blend of fiction and non-fiction is something Joyce has been doing for the better part of 60 years. |
2:13.7 | In this case, the serial killer is real, but the protagonist, a 39-year-old housewife |
2:19.5 | named Hannah, whose marriage is on the outs, is fictitious. We talk about the intersection of these |
2:25.6 | two worlds a whole lot in this conversation. We also discuss her upbringing on a farm in New Jersey, her early literary influences, her fascination with |
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