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It's Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

On the monthly draft before, going forward, why should anyone trust the numbers?

Well, that's a big thing.

You're right. No, you're right. Why should anybody trust numbers?

You go back to election. Election day.

Look what happened two or three days before with massive wonderful job numbers,

trying to get him elected or her elected, trying to get

whoever the hell was running, because you go back and they came out with numbers that were very

favorable to Kamala. So, Heilman, first of all, the last jobs report I went back at looked at in October of 2024. It was

terrible. It was terrible. It was really bad. And all this year, whenever they got good jobs

numbers, these guys embraced them. And it's like you find yourself saying maybe the guy's not on the level. You know what I mean?

First I bet's occurred to you. I'm a late adopter. I'm a late adopter. But I'll tell you one guy who's experienced this is our old buddy, former Congressman Adam Kzinger, who my discussion partner on CNN often,

and a courageous example and a rare one of someone who was willing to stand up to Trump within his own party.

We should have listened to Adam.

We should have listened to him earlier. He kept telling us, David, that Trump was not on the

level. And we kept saying, oh, Kinsinger, he's just, you know, whine and complain and bitch

and moan. I thought it was because he wasn't made Secretary of Defense.

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