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The Gist

Drawing Districts

The Gist

Peach Fish Productions

News, Daily News

4.53.7K Ratings

🗓️ 29 September 2020

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

On the Gist, using poker logic to analogize the upcoming presidential debates with Annie Duke. She is a former professional poker player, cognitive scientist and author of the forthcoming How to Decide: Simple Tools for Making Better Choices. In the interview, Mike passes the baton to Annie Duke once more to dig into gerrymandering. Duke talks with Moon Duchin, a mathematician and professor at Tufts University, about her research into understanding how voting districts work. Through redistricting analysis at the Metric Geometry and Gerrymandering Group, an organization Duchin co-founded, she describes how in this democracy, fairness isn't always as easy to find when you're considering where people live and vote. In the spiel, messing up several thousand absentee ballots was inevitable. Email us at thegist@slate.com Podcast production by Margaret Kelley and Jamila Bey. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The following program may offend those who say fudge instead of another f word

0:04.4

It may also offend those who say fudge when asked to rank their top three desserts

0:13.0

It's Tuesday September 29th

0:15.4

2020 from slate. It's the gist. I'm Mike pesca and today is the first of the presidential

0:21.6

Debates now yesterday if you heard the show

0:23.9

Felipe Rehnis was on talking about the challenges of debating Donald Trump

0:28.6

He wants played Donald Trump and Donald Trump does have challenges

0:32.1

And it's not that he's a good debater or can lay out a clever argument or even has a way with words in fact

0:37.7

It's because he's not even a B plus or C minus at any of those skills

0:41.5

It's because he's so deficient that it just makes the ground under his code debaters feet a little shaky

0:48.8

So let me give you a little bit of an analogy

0:51.2

Let's say you and I were debating what's the best vegetable and I took broccoli and you took aparagus

0:57.5

Well, I'd know how to make the case and you would probably too and I would anticipate your case

1:02.5

And I think that I might win. All right. Now here's the second analogy

1:06.0

What if I took broccoli and you took tomato?

1:08.6

See, this is what I think goes on a lot of the time with a very smart debater versus someone who's saying the thing that the public wants to hear

1:15.8

Because I would feel really confident that broccoli is going to be tomato in the best vegetable debate because tomatoes are an

1:22.5

A vegetable I probably couldn't get off that point

1:24.9

But I might lose the debate because the public would listen and agree and say you know, I kind of do like tomatoes

1:29.7

But here's what's going on with Trump the debate is between what if I took broccoli and you took

1:35.8

Light bulb but also your son is an illegal banana salesman and eggplants and windmills cause cancer

1:42.0

It would be really confusing. It would I think be a harder debate in a lot of ways that I wouldn't know how to quote unquote

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