Oh, Good evening. Well that was quite the introduction. How are you doing Mr.

Real? Life is good. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you so much.

I'm very excited to be here tonight and to talk a little

bit about what some of our detractors. Yes, we actually have detractors. I know it's hard to believe.

But talk a little bit about what they've been saying about us

Yeah, it'll be I think a lot of fun

There is the certain crowd these are the folks that are sort of the opposite

of the Neo-apologist.

There's the regular apologist, Dan Peterson and Lou Midgley

and those guys.

Then there's the Neo-apologist,

the Patrick Mason's and Terrell Givens of the world who are just they're just so kind they are and

You know Givens I think is referenced Shakespeare a few times. I don't think he's read as much as Radio Free Mormon, that's for sure, but...

These guys have sort of the ones we're going to talk about tonight are the folks who sort of come to apologetics from a very different angle and it'll be a blast to show some of these clips.

I know we're focusing mostly on the midnight Mormons who now have a new podcast well he has a new name called

psych ward radio and they cover things like aliens abductions

where wolves vampires the harrowing of hell, things like that.

They've actually, I think, become the more

and apologetic version of the National Inquirer.

Yeah, when you look at some of the topics they cover. In fact, let me see if I can, well, I won't put a thumbnail back up, but in their stuff, I mean, you can see the videos that they've got at Ward Radio and they cover they cover the kinds of things that are Bell covered for years and years in middle of the night.

Less effectively. Yeah night less effectively yeah less effectively is true that not quite the following that art bell had but you know what they do pretty good compared to how we're doing great the believers seem to really get a kick out of the charisma, I think, is there maybe secret sauce?

Oh, charisma, you think so? Well, I always have to remind myself that in the world of IQs 100 being the average it means that half the people are below it and I think that they are they are collecting from that herd.

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