Well, today we have not one but two comic book legends with us.

First, we have artist-writer Matt Wagner, creator of such legendary characters as Grendel, Mage,

and the author of one of my personal favorite series, Sandman Mystery Theater.

We also have artist Kelly Jones, legendary for his work on Batman, and one of, if not the best

artist, I'm sorry, Matt, to ever draw the Sandman.

Well, I'll take that one because it's true.

But today.

And actually, that's how Kelly and I met because we both drew, he drew the bulk of Seasons of the Mist, which is the most famous Samman story arc. I drew one chapter in that. And so we were both together with a lot of the PR tour stuff, and that's how we first met. Yeah, Matt, I mean, you, Al, you co-created dead boy detectives, you know, right?

Like, I mean, that was...

Yeah, I don't take much credit for that. Because, again, it was just that one issue. They weren't detectives yet. No, they were just dead. They were just a couple of ghosty high school kids, you know? So, uh... Okay. So you created the dead boy part. Yeah, there you go. The dead boy part, not the detective part, yeah.

I always like a good guy who creates dead boys.

It's good for our show. dead boy part. Yeah, there you go. The dead boy part, not the detective part, yeah. I always like a good guy who creates dead boys.

It's good for our show.

It really, it helps.

I'm glad it's a good interview.

And I will say, you know, D.C., the way they credit you is whoever drew it first, they get the credit.

Right.

And I don't feel like I deserve it because I didn't do them as those characters, as the detectives. And yet, when they had that one season of the show, I got a bit of money out of it, you know, and I was just like, ugh, okay. I mean, it wasn't, you know, I didn't quit my job, but. Hey, man. Get that money, dude. Yeah.

No, I've created about a half dozen characters.

I had no idea I created.

And he's right.

I looked and I said, I don't even know who this is. And they say you did it.

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