From WNYC Studios, I'm Brian Lehrer.

This is my daily politics podcast.

It's Thursday, June 19th.

By now you've heard about the Supreme Court's decision yesterday, upholding Tennessee's ban on gender affirming care for

minors. We covered it as it was breaking yesterday morning. This ruling has major consequences

across the country as 25 states currently have passed similar laws. On yesterday's show,

we extensively discussed the legal side of the story.

Now we'll look at the impact this decision will have on children and their families who are in this category.

Joining me now to share his perspective is Dr. Jack Turbin.

He's a psychiatrist who treats transgender adults, adolescents, and children.

Some of you may remember last year, we had him on the show to talk about his book,

Free to Be Understanding Kids and Gender Identity, which explains the experience of trans kids in his practice and the treatment processes for gender dysphoria in children.

He's back now to talk about how this ruling will affect the kinds of

families that he works with. Dr. Turbin, thank you so much for coming on. Welcome back to WNYC.

Thank you so much for having me back. Often when we talk about this subject, we get comments from

listeners who question how children even know that they're transgender.

You want to start there?

How do children know that they are a different gender from their sex assigned at birth?

How do they come to experience that and come to that conclusion?

Yeah, you know, we have research from cisgender kids that they start to realize their

own gender and the gender of others and start to put language to that, usually between the

ages of three and five.

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