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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show with your host, Eric Mataxis.

Folks, welcome back. This is what we call hour two.

That's because it comes after hour one, typically.

And I continue my conversation with our friend Ann McElhenny,

who with her husband, Falom McElher, has produced a true crime podcast,

dealing with one of the most gruesome crime stories in history.

Having to do with Kermit Gossnell, the doctor who in inner city, Philadelphia, for decades,

murdered children and got away with it.

Now Ann, you were saying in the previous segment,

because it's important sometimes for us to understand how these things happen.

It's actually quite simple.

Somebody like Kermit Gossnell, as evil as he is,

he recognizes in a way the truth of the situation.

He says he understands in America, in a place like Philadelphia, inner city,

Philadelphia, life is extremely cheap.

And why should he pretend that the life inside the womb is less valuable than the life outside the womb?

They say legally he can kill the child in the womb,

in the ninth month, in the eighth month.

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