Gentlemen, thank you both for joining me.

Everybody now knows who you guys are, and I am sure leaning forward into this subject matter.

You know, I used to think and comment on this as, I would say, a healthy degree of skepticism.

My biggest concern was that every time I saw someone on camera talking about this, he was somebody in a dirty gimmie cap.

But of late, we have seen very sophisticated aviators.

We have seen military pilots reporting very interesting and unexplainable phenomenon. And we have seen

evidence of government reports that suggest that this isn't just somebody that has had their

daily 12-pack sitting on a boat somewhere reporting things that, you know,

maybe we're a bit suspect.

I've heard it from much more credible sources.

And I have a bias because I kind of want it to be true because I want to learn more about

what's going on in the universe. Louie, let me start

with you. You believe that there's a lot more going on than the government is sharing with us.

And my first question to you is, is that true? And why do you think the government is withholding

information? Well, great question, Dr. Phil. First and foremost, to answer your first question,

yes, the government has had a longstanding interest in this topic from a national security perspective.

There are copious amounts of documentation that establishes this fact going back to

1950, and quite frankly, probably a lot earlier than that. Why this is a concern and has been

and continue to be a concern for the United States is simply because it illustrates the fact

that we do not have what we call U.S. air domain awareness. After 2000, if you remember,

the terrible events of 2001 during 9-11, there was a this basically reaction by the U.S.

government to make sure that it had control of its airspace, what we call air domain awareness.

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