All right, Vinay Prasad, Zubin D'Manya. Welcome to this VPZD show.

Vinay, we are the number five science podcast in the nation.

What do you think of that? Rightly deserved.

You know, for a while, we shot up, we shot up to number two.

I saw, we were number two.

We were number two in it, for a minute.

Basically, Neil deGrasse Tyson is sitting somewhere in an undershirt, sweating.

He's just sweating balls right now. He's like, these, these kids.

He knows they're coming to me at my own game.

You know, yeah, we're coming for him and, and what I want to tell the public is,

like, listen, it's you guys who put us there by leaving reviews,

subscribing on your favorite platform.

If you're on iTunes, that's great.

Just go to the podcast app and put however many stars you think our podcast is

worse and worth and read a review, write a review.

And that really bumps us up the chart.

And it gets these, this kind of all middle synthesis discussion out,

out there, which it really is not happening, right?

It's, it's either, and we'll talk about this.

But yeah, it's really these conversations aren't happening.

So the middle is gone. The middle is gone.

And if you want to see the middle, uh, like, you know, hit that star button,

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