Species, unite, unite. and species unite

these animals are being held captive in the laboratory.

They have none of what they need

for their own physical and mental well-being and there is a enormous amount of

research suggesting that the biology and the behavior of animals in laboratories is nothing like even those

animals in the wild. I mean right down to like their heart rate and their

core temperature and their microbiome which we now know was really important for a lot of different things.

So basically you can't trust data from a mouse in a laboratory to reflect on a mouse in a field.

So it really has no chance of being related to us. This is Species Unite.

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This conversation is with Dr. Catherine Rowe.

Catherine is PETA's chief of science advancement and outreach.

She spent 20 years working as a neuroscientist, including eight at the National Institutes of

Health. Today she's working to end cruel animal experiments, including the recently exposed and absolutely horrific

experiments that are happening to infant monkeys at Harvard Medical School. It's really good to meet you.

It's so nice to meet you and thank you for having me.

I've been doing a lot of reading about a lot of the work you've done and I want to go into specific cases because some of the stuff really has surprised me and I feel like I know a lot about animal experimentation or at least I'm aware of it more so than most people

and yeah it's just like opened up all these things in my brain it's so shocking what's

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