This is Undaunted Life, a man's podcast on your host Kyle Thompson.

Let's get into it.

Our guys today I've got a special guest on the podcast.

His name is Dr. Jonathan McLatchy.

So this guy is a Christian apologist, writer, speaker, and debater.

And he's actually done a few dozen debates against people defending atheism or Islam or

other worldviews.

He has a PhD in evolutionary biology, which makes him fairly unique in this space.

I mean, I'm not sure I've ever spoken to an apologist, a Christian apologist that had

a degree in evolutionary biology, but the main focus of his career and really his work

overall is to promote intelligent evidence-based Christian faith.

And he kind of has a special emphasis on evidence of design in nature.

So guys, if this seems like it's going to be a heady podcast, it's because it's going

to be a heady podcast, but just remember, I'm always constantly, I'm constantly telling

you guys to cultivate spiritual, mental and physical resilience.

This is part of that mental resilience piece.

So I'm all these encouraging guys to read.

I'm encouraging them to read things that aren't just entertaining and aren't just fun,

but some things that are really, really difficult that you maybe have to chew through

or something like that.

And in this podcast, I'm going to tell you, there's going to be certain segments, you

know, 30, 45 seconds segments where you're going to have to, you're going to be like,

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