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I'm Francis Foster I'm Constantin Kitten and this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating.

And this is the show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest this week is one of the world's most renowned relationship experts.

He wrote a book a very long time ago and many since called Men are from Mars

Women are from Venus a book that I mind my wife personally found very useful

Dr John Gray welcome to trigonometry Oh, really happy to be with you.

Thank you so much for coming on the show.

There's really a couple of things we wanted to talk about later in the interview.

We want to get on to, you know, this time of lockdown with the coronavirus. How do you maintain your relationship? How do you not get divorced in this time and whatever else?

Your personal goals might be.

Well, yeah, you know, know in China when people are released there the

divorce rate has dramatically gone up because people are confined together. We need our own independence as well as connection.

Just as important as connection is we need separation. And with no separation

it brings up all kinds of issues that are actually will be remedied if we understand

the dynamics of how to live in a space and create distance without fights.

The arguments serve a purpose. I want to push you away for a while

so I can come back to myself. There's other ways to do it without the arguments because that then

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