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Welcome to Susie Larson Live. I'm so honored to get to spend this time with you. In fact, I look forward to bringing you conversations every single day that hopefully inspire you in your faith walk, that deepen your understanding of God's Word, and that heightens your awareness of his very real presence in your life. If you listen to my show often enough, you know that I care deeply about healing, the healing process, about wholeness, freedom, spiritual maturity. And I actually cringe when I hear Christians say,

you know, we've got to get off that whole subject and get back to reaching the lost.

To me, it sounds spiritual, but I just want to say this. Jesus didn't save us to

slave us. He came to set us free. You follow him around the Gospels. You're going to see a

savior over and over again who addressed the human condition. He cared about the whole person.

And some people get the sense that what we want, we want them in church so we can grow our church.

You know, we want to rope them in so we have more volunteers. We can grow the awesome ministry. And then everybody needs to do their

part and invite their friends. And that all sounds good, doesn't it? But people get burnt out,

they get disillusioned, they walk away. But on the other hand, when a soul gets saved,

and then they experience true healing and redemption and freedom in their lives, you don't have to tell them to go out and tell somebody. They just do it because freedom speaks. Well, my guest today

says that church is supposed to be a place that the hurting are drawn to, not repelled by. So how can

we become a people and a church that create a safe place for others to heal? How can we pursue

healing in a way that changes who we are?

Author, clinical psychologist, and leadership expert, Dr. Henry Cloud joins me today to talk

about churches and people that heal. Let me tell you about our guest. We'll get him on the show.

Dr. Henry Cloud's an acclaimed leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and New York Times

best-selling author. His 45 books, count them, include the iconic boundaries, sold nearly 15 million copies worldwide.

He has an extensive executive coaching background, experience as leadership consultant,

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