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Radio 4. The My castaway this week is the forensic psychotherapist Gwen Ad said.

She is one of the leaders in a very specialized field, trying to understand the behavior of the most vilified people

in society and attempting to find ways of treating it.

For more than a decade, her office has been behind the towering walls of Broadmoor Hospital, the Victoria More of the most dangerous violent behavior.

She also works with young offenders, supports crime victims, writes academic papers,

and is currently working on a book on the nature of evil.

Compared to that, her life outside work seems, well almost

impossibly normal, bringing up her children, singing in a choir and gardening

fill her spare time. Of her work, she says, other people's minds are so fascinating I can't think of

anything more interesting and I can't understand why everyone isn't a psychiatrist.

Fascinating but I imagine at times also pretty terrifying. There must be moments

when you contemplate what the people you talk to have done and you are a little scared at

least. Yes, well not I think scared because of course I'm working in a very secure and safe environment and so I think it's sad really because particularly in the hospital where I work many of our people

are very disabled. I mean not only have they done terrible things but they've often

been through terrible things as well which has left them very

psychologically disabled and the rehabilitation process is a very slow one so I think not

so much fearful is just sad and in terms of just day-to-day setup as you go into your work. I mean I noticed today you're wearing

beautiful bracelets I think we've got a necklace on. You know when you walk in are you allowed

to look and carry the sort of things you would in

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