Welcome to Untangle, the podcast from 5-star app meditation studio and Muse, the brain-sensing headband.

I am Patricia Carpice, your host, along with my co-host every other week, Muse co-founder, Ariel Garden.

With this new year, we just launched a new muse called Muse S, which features a comfortable, soft, fabric headband.

It gives you real-time feedback on your brain, heart, breath, and body during meditation,

and also includes new features designed to help lull you to sleep.

You can check it out at choosemuse.com.

Today's guest is Dr. Fred Luskin.

Dr. Luskin is the director and co-founder of the Stanford University Forgiveness Project and is the author of several best-selling books, including,

Forgive for Good, a proven prescription for health and happiness. He dives into the healing

powers and medical benefits of forgiveness and why, based on all the research that they've done,

forgiveness matters a lot. He's also the author of Stress Free for Good, 10 scientifically proven life skills for health

and happiness, which emerged from his 10 years as a researcher in preventative cardiology

at the Stanford University School of Medicine.

He shares that you don't actually have to forget in order to forgive or even skip the

grieving step for that matter. But you may have to

change the story around what happened. It's good stuff for those of us who might hold a grudge

or two. Now, here's Dr. Luskin. Dr. Fred Luskin, it's so great to have you on Untangle today.

Thank you for being here.

You're welcome.

Were you inspired by the personal motivation to forgive something big in your life?

How did you even get interested in forgiveness as a

project? In a more personal sense, there were two interests that converged. One was, I have had a

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