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From WBZ Chicago, this is Nerdette. I'm Tricia Bobita. And I'm Greta Johnson. This week, we are talking about math.

Don't run away.

Yeah, if you were one of those people who just then was like, oh, God, ew. Bear with us. We promise.

This mathematician we're talking to is super cool, and she will probably get you at least like incrementally, slightly less terrified of math.

It worked for me. Also later in the show, our friend Peter Sagle from

Wait Wait Don't Tell Me joins us in our hashtag Moonshot for Miranda, quest to get Lynn Manuel

Miranda on the show, and we talk a little about Hamilton and Peter complains of it. So yeah,

exactly what you'd expected to me. But first, our conversation with Dr. Eugenia Chang. She's the scientist in residence at the

School of the Art Institute of Chicago. Now, the Art Institute is like our super fancy, really nice

museum. This is where the Van Goghs live in Chicago. And the school of the Art Institute is where a lot

of visual artists go to learn how to be Van Gogh, I guess.

And meanwhile, we have Dr. Eugenia Chang. That's the only option.

They have Van Gogh 101, 201, 301, and math classes.

Yes, this is super cool.

Eugenia Chang is the scientist in residence at the School of the Art Institute.

And she teaches a class that's essentially like

math for haters. Dr. Eugenia Chang is now teaching math to art students here in Chicago. She has a PhD

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