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Sound, episode number four the mystery of 2012 Dr. Ervin-Lazlow, on tipping points.

This week I interview world-renowned Systems Thearist Dr. Ervin-Lazlow.

He uses the principles of systems theory as a dynamic framework for understanding

the coming changes we face as we approach the year 2012.

Listen in to find out why dramatic shifts called tipping points in Earth's living

system are becoming more and more likely each day. you've been looking at evolutionary theory and researching global change from a number of different perspectives for a long time.

How is it that you first came across this date 2012 when you pinpointed that time as a time of change?

I mean, this 2012 date. Where did that come from in your work and your calculations?

It's quite independent of the prophecies. I just became aware of a coincidence of calculations that I made independently of the

prophecies of the end of 2012.

Well the calculations are not all that exact.

They would say that probably within four or five years,

we will have a major change, a major phase change

in the fate of humanity on this planet because a number of the trends that are now

threatening to reach a critical point will probably reach critical point by

then. So by the time I looked at the various trends and I looked at the interactions between them

I saw that well what appeared to be originally a forecast for the end of the century that turned out to be the mid century, then turn

out to be within the next 20 years, then between the five and 10 years.

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