Hey friend, welcome to the Muir Christians podcast. I'm Jordan Rayner.

How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians.

Those of us who aren't pastors or religious professionals, but who work as HR managers, dental

assistance and curators.

That's the question we explore every week and today I'm posing it to Dr.

Darryl Kostin, a brilliant theologian and author of an excellent old book called The Heavenly Good of Earthly Work.

Dr. Kosthen and I recently sat down to discuss what the nail scars in Jesus' hands

mean for the work of your hands and how much that work matters for

eternity. We talked about why the value of your secular work depends upon the

value of creation and how we the church got to this place

in the last few hundred years of over-emphasizing heaven and going to heaven

when we die versus scriptures promised a bodily resurrection on a renewed earth?

Listen, this episode is more academic than others, but it is mind-bending and well worth

to listen. I loved this conversation with my new friend, Dr. Darrell Kausden. Kausden.

Welcome to the Mir Christians podcast.

Thank you.

It's great to be here.

In the acknowledgement section of this new book I just published, the Synchonist secular work, I wrote,

quote, thank you to those who did the hard theological work that my readers and I now benefit from.

NT Wright, Randy Alcorn, Darryl Kostin, and then I listed a few others but I got to tell you

and I told you this before we started recording. The Heavenly Good of Earthly Work, which you wrote

something 20 years ago, was so, so helpful to me. And I'm just thrilled that you're here to help us

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