Hey everybody welcome to the mere Christians podcast I'm Jordan

Rayner. How does the gospel influence the work of mere Christians?

Those of us who aren't pastors or religious professionals,

but who work as animal breeders, dishwashers,

and chiropractors? That's the question we explore every week and today I'm posing it to the brilliant Dr. Kurt Thompson.

He's a psychiatrist who's done extensive work marrying interpersonal neurobiology with the Christian

faith.

He's the author of some incredible books, including the soul of shame and the soul of desire.

Kurt and I finally sat down to talk about how to shift from playing not to lose to playing to win.

We talked about why acknowledging that you're never ever going to have a totally pure motive is incredibly

empowering.

And we talked about how to take your Christian community with you mentally as you do hard things at work.

Trust me, you're going to love this conversation with my new friend, Dr. Kurt Thompson.

Dr. Kurt Thompson, welcome to the Mir Christians podcast. Jordan, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be here.

So Jessica Hanagro has called you out twice now.

You got to get Kurt on and we finally got Kurt on. So we're really excited.

Hello Jessica if you're listening. Hey I was telling you before we start recording,

I devoured your terrific book, The Soul of Desire.

And you pointed out something that I hadn't noticed before.

So I've noticed Jesus' question, I think it's a couple of times in the

Gospels of what do you want? I never noticed that that's actually Jesus' first

words recorded in the Gospel of John, which I thought was super interesting.

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