Bill, we've been doing these podcasts for a long time and we've always kept talk of

young earth and the age of the earth, the age of the universe, at a minimum. The reason

being is because you've always held that it's not any central of the Christian faith,

but a peripheral room to disagree and so on. And so we've avoided it. For the most part,

I talked about it a little bit. We've avoided Ken Ham, who has made some derogatory remarks

toward you in the past. And then he did, again, recently Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis. They're a young

earth creationist organization. I think the main reason that Josh Swamadas wanted to do the podcast

with you is because he wanted you to respond to some of the comments. In particular, he called you

arrogant in your handling of God's word. Yes, he accused me of pseudo-intellectual arrogance and

mocking God's word. And I think those are very, very serious charges to level against another person.

As did Josh, and so he wanted me to respond to those. And I differentiated Kevin between

criticizing a person's view and criticizing a person's character. And I certainly think that my

views are open game for anyone to criticize. But when it comes to personal attacks on character,

I think that's a really serious matter because if what he was saying is true, I shouldn't be

in Christian ministry. As I said, if I believed for a moment that I was arrogant and that God was

opposing me as he opposes the proud, I would step back from ministry. On the other hand, I really

agreed with Ken Ham in the point that we should never let our affection or respect for another

Christian made that person's views immune from criticism. No matter how much we appreciate

another person, if that person is guilty of serious doctrinal mistakes, then we need to identify

to refute and if possible to correct those mistakes. And so no one's views are immune from criticism.

I'll tell you Bill, it's almost a trick question because it puts you in a position to say,

I'm not arrogant. In fact, I'm very humble.

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