Dr. Christine Marie on Trust Me: The False Prophet and the Fight for Justice (Part 2)
A Little Bit Culty
Sarah Edmondson & Anthony “Nippy” Ames
4.6 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 28 May 2026
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
In Part 2 with Dr. Christine Marie, we dive into Netflix’s Trust Me: The False Prophet and why the lack of victim-shaming in the response has been a dream come true. She walks us through the strategy (and frustration) of working with the FBI on the Sam Bateman investigation, why she needed footage of Sam committing obstruction of justice to get him arrested, and the devastating mistake of housing all the underage victims together in one group home where older girls could obstruct interviews. We discuss the heartbreak of watching Nomz and other victims serve prison time despite being coerced themselves, and Christine's proposal for a new kind of facility.
We talk about Sam's ongoing manipulation from jail (he's going to trial next month just to psychologically torture the girls who turned against him), the $15,000 white leather jacket that should be a crime in itself, and why coercive control laws could change everything for FLDS survivors and beyond. Christine shares why public love and dignity after shame is the most healing thing that could ever happen, her work with Voices for Dignity, and her next mission: promoting empathy, fighting online cruelty, and making kindness cool again. Plus: Christine reads her journal entry about Keith Raniere and Sarah reads the Facebook message where she told him to “de-cult” himself—spoiler: he didn't listen.
Definitely watch Trust Me on Netflix and visit the websites for Dr. Christine Marie and Voices for Dignity: ChristineMarie.com, VoicesForDignity.org. And follow her on Instagram @dr.christinemarie and on TikTok @drchristinemarie.
Trigger warning: This episode contains frank discussion of child sexual abuse, ritualistic abuse, human trafficking, and the criminal justice system's treatment of cult survivors.
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| 0:00.0 | This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be considered legal, medical, or mental health advice. |
| 0:06.1 | The views and opinions express do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the podcast |
| 0:10.6 | and are not intended to malign any religion, group, club, organization, business, individual, anyone, or anything. |
| 0:17.0 | Music. anything. |
| 0:28.0 | I'm Sarah Edmondson. |
| 0:31.1 | And I'm Anthony Nippy Ames, and this is a little bit culty. |
| 0:35.8 | We woke up from a cult, and that journey was captured in the vow on HBO and in my memoir, |
| 0:36.3 | scarred. |
| 0:40.7 | Now, in this podcast, we break down the shame and secrets that make these experiences so destructive with honest conversations on how seemingly benign groups can cross into |
| 0:44.7 | the cultiverse and how to spot and recover from trouble if it happens to you. |
| 0:48.8 | Each week, we bring an expert, survivors, and whistleblowers to explore red flags, resilience, |
| 0:52.9 | and even share a few laughs because because sometimes you've got to laugh. |
| 0:56.2 | Subscribe to our Patreon for early and ad-free listening, some live Q&A and exclusive content at patreon.com slash A Little Bit Culty. |
| 1:03.2 | Welcome to Season 8 of the ocean. |
| 1:14.6 | Hanging on to win my love. |
| 1:21.9 | Welcome back, everybody to part two with Dr. She is a friend. |
| 1:23.5 | She's a bad ass. |
| 1:24.2 | She has crazy stories about Keith Renehry, which if you missed part one, don't miss it. Go back and listen to it. Now we're going to transition from that era of her life to what happened after you moved to Flagstaff and correct me if I'm wrong, but what I understand is that you came to help with the transitional time for the members and the women after Warren Jeffs went to prison, which we've |
| 1:45.0 | covered on other podcasts with Elisa Wall, who was one of the original whistleblowers against |
| 1:49.9 | Warren Jeff. So we're not going to get into any of that, focusing on you going to help them |
| 1:54.2 | and how that turned into a documentary and then getting infiltrated into Sam Bateman's mini group and that |
| 2:02.3 | journey. So I don't want to, you'd have to recap what's in the doc. Let's just talk more about, |
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