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Today we welcome Dr. Arno Delorm to Skeptico. He's here to talk about his new book, Why Our Minds Wander, Understand the Science, and Learn How to Focus

Your Thoughts. And Arnaud is super qualified to talk about this topic. He has just a stellar

academic background, having published over 100 peer of you papers, and he's currently a distinguished

professor at University of California, San Diego,

right here in my backyard, which happens to be, you know, a lot of people don't realize this,

really one of the top universities in the country in a lot of fields related to science and

medicine. He's also an ion scientist that is the Institute for Newetic Sciences, and I know that's an organization that many folks who are listening to this show are familiar with.

And finally, since we're going to talk about consciousness and where your mind goes and what your mind is, he is a longtime meditator.

So he's familiar with this topic on a personal level as well.

Arnault, welcome to Skeptico. Thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you for having me.

So I think we should start with talking about this fine new book you have.

Tell us what it's about.

So it's about, so, I, you know, I can tell this little anecdotes

when, so it's about consciousness first and why our mind wander. So mind wandering is like

you're reading a book and then you start thinking about something else.

And that's what we call mind wandering.

And that happens when you read a book, but that also happens when you're washing the dishes

or when you're meditating.

So I experienced that first when I was meditating and I was mind wandering a lot.

So that's why I started to study my wandering,

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