Downstream: Vape Shops, Crypto and Luxury Watches: How Money Laundering Is Everywhere w/ Oliver Bullough
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🗓️ 9 February 2026
⏱️ 83 minutes
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Summary
When it comes to the relationship between capitalism and crime, those on the left generally think of exploitation. People often turn to crime, so the thinking goes, because they can’t make ends meet by legitimate means. Whatever your views on that framing, there is also another – far less discussed – connection between capitalism and crime, namely the relationship between elites, the shadow economy and money laundering.
On Downstream this week, Aaron Bastani talks to Oliver Bullough about his latest book: Everybody Loves Our Dollars: How Money Laundering Won. Bullough explains how money laundering, as a global phenomenon, is estimated to be worth trillions of dollars a year. What makes such industrial-scale crime even possible is, ironically, the basic infrastructure that permits globalised trade in the first place: a basket of important currencies, centring on the American dollar.
So while the White House talks about the war on drugs, or the war on crime, the currency being issued by the Federal Reserve – America’s bank – is what makes much of that crime profitable at all. It turns out, according to Bullough, that while elected officials talk tough, they generally fail to take necessary steps to curb the global flow of dirty money.
While completely eliminating laundering may never be possible, making a start is easier than you think. What is money laundering, and why should you care about it? How does it look different in places like China and Russia when compared to the United States or Europe? Is it really like the TV shows? What do vape shops, NFTs and luxury watches all have in common? And is rampant criminal activity much more common, and closer to home, than we are led to believe?
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| 0:00.0 | When it comes to the relationship between capitalism and crime, people on the left, social |
| 0:12.3 | democrats, socialists, progressives, generally think of oppression and exploitation. |
| 0:16.4 | They say that people turn to crime, broadly speaking, because they can't make ends meet through legitimate |
| 0:21.8 | means. They've been left behind by mainstream economy, the way that most people earn money |
| 0:28.2 | most of the time. That may be true. You might agree, you might disagree. But the truth is, |
| 0:33.5 | there's a more interesting and important relationship between capitalism and crime than that, |
| 0:38.8 | namely the relationship between the state and currencies and money laundering. |
| 0:44.9 | Money laundering is estimated to be worth globally trillions of dollars a year, |
| 0:49.7 | and the basic infrastructure for all of that is the dollar, the euro, and the pound, some |
| 0:55.6 | other currencies too, but almost all of it isn't US dollars. |
| 0:58.9 | So while the White House talks about a war on drugs and a war on crime, the currency being |
| 1:04.0 | issued by the Federal Reserve is the infrastructure that allows much or nearly all of that |
| 1:08.9 | crime and all of those drugs to be produced and |
| 1:12.1 | distributed around the world. And here's where things get really interesting because you know what? |
| 1:18.1 | It turns out those in power don't really care about much of this. So what is money laundering? |
| 1:23.8 | Why should you care about it? Does it look different in places like China and Russia |
| 1:27.7 | than it does in Europe and the United States? And what do vape shops, NFTs and luxury watches |
| 1:34.0 | have in common? This is such an important conversation. I want to talk about crypto. I want to talk |
| 1:40.2 | about terrorism, sanctions, debanking. This issue is so much bigger than I realized |
| 1:45.9 | until a short while ago. Until I read this fabulous book, Everybody Loves Our Dollars by Oliver |
| 1:52.2 | Bullo. Really, really, really important intervention in a topic that isn't talked about |
| 1:58.8 | very much, but is absolutely on your high street. |
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