Why does Elon Musk have so many kids?

Is Argentina's Javier Malay secretly adored by all those economic elites he professes to despise?

And should you put your money in gold or cryptocurrency?

These might seem like a hodgepodge of disconnected questions, but actually they're linked. They're all

part of how neoliberalism has been reinvented by the far right for the 21st century.

I'm joined by Quinn Slobodian, a historian and author,

to talk about how the heirs of Friedrich Hayek,

the neoliberal philosopher of the 20th century,

misinterpreted and strategically distorted his way of thinking to make room for skull measuring calipers and race science.

We cover pickup artists, smash and grab economics, the rights obsession with IQ, and Trump's Liberation Day tariffs.

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Quincelobodyan, thank you so much for joining us on downstream.

Happy to be here.

When we were doing the research for this interview, we noticed that you disappeared from Twitter.

Is it because of Elon Musk's takeover?

Have you just decided to become psychologically healthy?

Where's that come from?

Yeah, probably a long overdue purge of a sometimes unproductive slice or even hefty swath of my everyday life.

What's the trick to not wanting to go on? Is there one? No, I really think that as the neoliberal's

new, we need to bind Ulysses to the mass. And there needs to be some kind of an external constraint, which usually means having a loved one, make a new password that you do not know.

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