Downstream: Social Mobility Is A Lie w/ Dan Evans
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4.8 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 31 July 2023
⏱️ 123 minutes
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Summary
Has the left misunderstood the state of our nation? Sociologist and trade unionist Dan Evans thinks so. He talks to Aaron about the unexpected power of the petty bourgeoisie – the insecure class between the working class and the bourgeoisie – and how its Thatcherite values of home ownership and entrepreneurialism have reshaped British politics in the last few decades.
They also discuss the political culture of Dan’s hometown in South Wales, what Corbynism got wrong about class, why university graduates are facing downward mobility and – perhaps inevitably – the state of the Labour Party.
Dan’s book, A Nation of Shopkeepers: The Unstoppable Rise of The Petty Bourgeoisie, is out now from Repeater.
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| 0:40.0 | Britain is obsessed with class. |
| 0:43.0 | Possibly more than any other country in the world. |
| 0:46.0 | And the left, naturally, is also obsessed with class. It's central to our politics. |
| 0:52.0 | But I've had a suspicion for quite a while that we don't quite get it right when it comes to understanding class in the 21st century. |
| 1:00.0 | Something's missing in our analysis. |
| 1:02.0 | And a book has been published which has crystallized much of my own thinking. |
| 1:07.0 | It said things I wanted to say. |
| 1:10.0 | It is called a Nation of Shopkeepers, the unstoppable rise of the petty bourgeoisie. |
| 1:15.0 | Its author is Dan Evans. |
| 1:17.0 | And Dan is today's guest on Downstream. |
| 1:21.0 | Dan Evans, welcome. |
| 1:23.0 | Thank you for having me, mate. |
| 1:24.0 | We are talking today about your brilliant book, a Nation of Shopkeepers, the unstoppable rise of the petty bourgeoisie. |
| 1:30.0 | It sounds quite pointy-headed. |
| 1:33.0 | It is a little bit. |
| 1:35.0 | But I think the political takeaways from it are anything. |
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