I'm Naomi Klein and I am at Navarro Media right now having just done in a wonderful in-depth interview and this is why I love Navarro Media and I listen regularly and watch to find out what the hell is going on in the UK.

It is so critical to have independent media that we can trust that goes deep on the issues

and also lets people stay up on the day-to-day twists and turns.

It's going to be especially important for your next election.

So I'm incredibly grateful that Navarro media exists and it exists because people support it so make sure to support

Navarre media we need left institutions and that means that we have to support

them when they're doing such great work as Navarre media is.

Thanks. Today's guest is very much an original thinker. He's independently minded. Of course, everyone

likes to think they're independently minded, but over the course of his career he's pissed off just about everyone.

He first shot the forefront of the national conversation about 25 years ago writing a trenchant

critique of globalization and being entirely skeptical

pessimistic even about the possibility of a successful war of occupation in other

Afghanistan or Iraq on both counts he was proven right. Now he's turned his

attention to the West. He says that the parties of recent decades, cultural, social

and economic, are over that the status quo can't carry on,

that we're very much at a crossroads.

So what next?

He thinks the future will in many ways resemble the past.

Perhaps things like religion, ultra-nationalism, maybe even feudalism,

might be on their way back.

Big questions and different answers to what you'd hear elsewhere.

But that's what we like here on downstream. John Great, thanks for joining us.

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