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Downstream: Leaving London’s Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Community w/ Izzy Posen

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Philosophy, News, Politics, Society & Culture

4.81.5K Ratings

🗓️ 3 July 2023

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Summary

Izzy Posen grew up in London’s Hasidic Jewish community in Stamford Hill, receiving the bare minimum of secular education in a school that still practiced corporal punishment.

Even with the strictures of this insular community, he developed an acute curiosity about the world, resulting in him teaching himself English and eventually leaving the community to study physics and philosophy.

Ash talks to Izzy about the history of this religious enclave, whether the state should interfere with child rearing, and the correct way to cut your nails in the eyes of the Lord.

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0:42.0

What's it like to grow up in a fundamentalist religious sect with practically no knowledge or understanding of the outside world?

0:50.0

How would it feel if you were never taught English or maths despite living in the middle of London?

0:56.0

And what would it be like to turn away from your upbringing?

0:59.0

Even if you knew it would mean losing contact with friends, community and even your family.

1:05.0

Stanford Hill is home to the largest acidic Jewish population in the whole of Europe.

1:10.0

And despite growing up only a couple of miles away from the neighbourhood, I've never actually known much about what life is like for this particular community.

1:18.0

And that's why I've been so desperate to meet this week's guest. Physics and philosophy nerd Izzy Pozen, who can tell me not only what it's like to be brought up in an ultra orthodox context, but what it was like to leave it.

1:31.0

We'll talk about the secret schools of North East London, how we all speak year-dish without knowing it, and what Jews and Bengalis have in common.

1:39.0

Clue, it's not speaking quietly. I hope you enjoyed the show.

1:44.0

So I grew up in a family, not particularly strict Muslims, put it that way.

1:50.0

So everyone kind of made their own accommodation with Haram. And for my mum, she's got a rule called Big Pig, Little Pig.

1:56.0

She's like, Big Pig, Haram, can't have that, can't have pork chop, can't...

2:00.0

She's like Salami, Little Pig, and God can't see.

2:05.0

That's kind of a Jewish friend of mine. He brought up his children kind of traditional, but not like orthodox.

2:12.0

And his children used to eat like ham and bacon. A Monday, they came home from like Hebrew school and said,

2:17.0

Our teacher said that Jews can't eat anything from a pig. He's like, let's not from a pig, it's from Tesco's.

2:24.0

It's interesting, the kind of accommodations that people make, what they will do and what they won't do, right?

2:29.0

It's interesting, the pig thing, because I know like lots of secular Jews who will do everything can anything, but they won't touch pork.

2:35.0

It's interesting, these cultural, there's a historical anecdote that kind of apparently archaeologists say that pork,

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