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Downstream: How Brexit Paved The Way For Farage’s Bid for Downing Street w/ Tom McTague

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Philosophy, News, Politics, Society & Culture

4.81.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

It’s almost 10 years since Britain voted to leave the EU, and we’re still dealing with the consequences. In his new book, Between The Waves, Politico’s chief UK political correspondent Tom McTague argues that the journey to Brexit really began with Enoch Powell, before be taken up by his political heir, Nigel Farage. He talks […]

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It's been almost 10 years since Britain's referendum to leave the European Union since Brexit.

0:13.5

Now I know what you're thinking, Aaron, it's in the past. It's happened. It's behind us for good or bad.

0:19.2

We don't want to talk about it anymore. Here's the thing, though.

0:22.2

If Nigel Farage is the bookmaker's favourite to be the next Prime Minister, maybe we have to.

0:28.2

And maybe we should start examining why Brexit happens. Regarding it less as a spasm that came from

0:35.1

nowhere and the culmination of a series of events, both intellectual and

0:39.2

political, which had been building for 80 years. A Britain, a century ago, was the largest empire in

0:45.4

history. For my entire life and that of your parents as well, it's been a country looking for a

0:51.7

role in the world. Brexit was meant to open doors, but so far it seems only to have closed them.

0:58.2

A new book talking about all of that between the waves, the hidden history of a very British

1:03.0

revolution, I think is the best book on Brexit so far.

1:06.7

It starts in the 1940s in North Africa, chronicling the likes of Enoch Powell, Jean Monnet,

1:13.7

and takes us through a cast of characters through Thatcher, Blair, all the way through to Sakeir Stama.

1:20.6

Tom McTagg is its author. He's the new editor at The New Statement.

1:24.6

Tom, welcome to downstream.

1:26.9

Thanks so much for having me. We have you on

1:29.2

because you've written this fabulous book. I know I say that I've never had somebody on the

1:33.5

show and said it's an awful book because we just went into the person obviously. But it is genuinely

1:38.0

fabulous, interesting, very well researched between the waves, the hidden history of a very

1:43.8

British revolution. It's about Britain's exit from the EU, the hidden history of a very British revolution.

1:45.0

It's about Britain's exit from the EU, but it starts in 1945, or even earlier, in fact.

1:50.0

Many people watching this or listening will be very political, and they'll have been very interested in Brexit for a very long time.

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