Today's guest last appeared on downstream less than six months ago.

And back then we talked about his new book, a history of not just Zionism but the Zionist

lobby, particularly in the UK and the US. Now it's not common for us to re-invite somebody back on so quickly.

But I guess today is one of the outstanding voices on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

He's been regularly visiting Israel over the last year, and he's got a new book out too. A very short history

of the Israel-Palestine conflict, only 144 pages, but there's a hell of a lot in there. He's

one of the most important academics chronicling the Nakhba in his seminal book, The Ethnic Cleansing

of Palestine. And like I say, a truly unique and formidable voice

in terms of how this conflict has played out and continues to play out.

Elon Pape, welcome to Downstream.

Great to be here. Thank you.

It's great to have you back.

Thank you. After a short while, that's lovely to be again here.

I think we had you on five months ago and that that conversation around Zionism,

the history of the Zionist lobby is racing to a million views. That's very encouraging to

hear it. Yeah. We're talking today about your new book. You're a prodigious, prolific writer,

a very short history of the Israel-Palestine

conflict, 144 pages, I believe. And I would say, I think, you know, we're coming up to Christmas,

it's a great gift for somebody who necessarily isn't that familiar with the details, but might

share something on Instagram and you think, okay, they're

interested in this. They want to know more. It's very dense. It's something I was talking about

actually earlier with my colleague is that often with books of this manner, like Rashid Khalidi

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