Pioneer, visionary, self-made man. No, I'm not talking about Tony Stark, I'm talking about somebody very real. He exists. And it all started on the side of a hill in Stroud in the west of England after

he was basically a travelling hippie for a decade.

Today he is worth in excess, allegedly, of £100 million.

He started the world's first green energy company, apparently designed and built the first electric

car and owns a football club. Oh, and by the way, car and owns a football club.

Oh, and by the way, he also owns a business which makes diamonds from literal thin air.

Now he's going into politics.

He's been a major donor for the Labour Party, one of the most high-profile backers of Kirstama, ahead of the last general election.

And his name is increasingly in circulation when it comes to any kind of debate about the green economy and how Britain reaches net zero.

Today's guest is Dale Vince.

This is going to be a phenomenal conversation. We talked to lots of interesting

people on this show, but his biography is like few others I've ever met. This is going to be

such a thrilling ride, I can assure you. Dale Vince, welcome to downstream.

Hey, thanks for having me.

It's been a long time in the making.

I remember asking you a couple of years ago,

and you said, I just really don't like going to London.

Ah, that's interesting.

It would have been true back then, less true today.

You're finding a place for London in your heart now, are you?

In my life.

Oh, really? Yeah, absolutely. And I guess, I don't know if it goes as far as to be in my heart.

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