Welcome to the conversations that Matter Podcast. My name is John Harris. We are going to talk about a video that was released at the end of last week. It's an important one if you're southern Baptist even if you're just an

evangelical because the woke stuff quote-unquote is not just affecting academic

institutions like seminaries it's affecting church planning it's affecting

missions organizations I've gotten the emails, the messages from people reaching out to me who work in these places and NAM is no exception. I've had people reach out to me. I've had screenshots sent to me concerning

information coming out of NAM, but hardly anyone, really no one, it seems like wants to actually

come forward and talk about the

corruption and the the social justice stuff that's going on and we have an

exception that exception at least for the social justice stuff, is an

individual in the state of Washington who was going who went through the approval process from NAM, the North American Mission Board for the Southern Baptist Convention,

to become a church planter with them.

And I think what makes it possible is this person is not as far as I know drawing an income from NAM right now, so they're not relying on NAM.

And most of those who come out and try to talk about what's going on in private but can't go public are doing so probably probably because they are relying on nam for their support and they'll get blacklisted pretty much from any SBC entity if they come out against one of them.

So this is unique. This is a little glimpse inside what's going on in church planning and church planning

training and I want to go through it and we're going to go through

we'll probably do two episodes this will be the first one because I think it's like a

40 minute video and we'll just play it in its entirety I'll comment on it where I feel

like I need to comment but we're going to go through it.

Now, I want to, before we go through it, just talk about a few things that, a few screenshots here.

I thought were interesting.

First one from Baptist press.

They lied about the Russell Moore departure in a way.

I don't know how else you can say it.

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