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The Oprah Podcast

Douglas Stuart: “John of John” | Oprah’s Book Club

The Oprah Podcast

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Society & Culture

4.21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2026

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

As part of the 30th anniversary of Oprah’s Book Club, Oprah picks her 123rd selection: John of John by celebrated Scottish author Douglas Stuart. His other novels include Young Mungo and Shuggie Bain which won the prestigious Booker Prize in 2020. John of John is set in a small, fictional farming and textile town, Falabay, on an isle off northern Scotland where everybody knows everyone’s business. The story centers around three generations living under the same roof: a father, his son and the son's grandmother. The central theme to this enthralling book is the secrets these three so desperately hold on to: secrets from each other, from their neighbors and from the church. A love story at its heart, Douglas Stuart tells Oprah how he spent six years writing this book, spending 16 weeks researching the Outer Hebrides Isles on the northwest coast of Scotland talking to local people who inspired his 26 supporting characters. Oprah and Douglas Stuart are joined by an audience in New York City who enthusiastically read the book and have questions for the author. BUY THE BOOK! https://groveatlantic.com/book/john-of-john/ 00:00:00 - Welcome Douglas Stuart, author of “John of John” 00:03:01 - The setting of the book 00:04:05 - Where he found this story 00:07:30 - What Douglas needed to learn to write “John of John” 00:09:20 - Douglas describes “John of John” 00:11:43 - Oprah compares the book to Heated Rivalry 00:13:30 - An unexpected love story 00:17:40 - The conflict between father and son 00:20:40 - His writing process 00:25:55 - Father and gay son on “John of John” 00:30:30 - How man found acceptance of his son 00:34:20 - Feeling seen in a novel 00:38:27 - What Douglas wants the reader to feel 00:44:50 - Masculinity and the patriarchy 00:46:10 - The experience of growing up gay 00:47:20 - The end of the novel Follow Oprah Winfrey on Social: Instagram Facebook TikTok Listen to the full podcast: Spotify Apple Podcasts #oprahsbookclub Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is Oprah as an Oprah wintry.

0:07.0

Aha!

0:09.0

Is there any other Oprah?

0:12.0

I'm calling about John of John.

0:14.0

John of John!

0:16.0

Oh my God!

0:18.0

I'm calling because I want to choose it as a book club. Oh my God, that's amazing.

0:22.6

You must have had some people hang up on you for the years not believing it was really new.

0:26.6

This is a real pinching moment.

0:27.6

I thought this was so interesting in light of heated rivalry and all that's going on with that.

0:32.6

If you liked heated rivalry, you're going to love this book.

0:36.6

All right? That's all I got to say. This is the deeper end. If you liked heated rivalry, you're going to love this book.

0:37.9

Okay?

0:39.6

That's all I got to say.

0:43.5

This is the deeper end of the ocean of heated rivalry.

0:48.6

Hi, everybody.

0:55.8

I am so happy to be here with you on the Oprah podcast because today is my favorite kind of day because I'm with an audience of readers.

1:01.7

We are all reading people. And I know that book clubs are all the rage now. And when I first

1:08.6

started doing it, nobody had a book club.

1:11.6

And the idea of doing a book club, certainly publicly, was like, how are you going to get people to read?

1:17.6

And now, look, everybody has a book club.

1:19.6

I'm 30 years in, and I'm so excited to share with you my 123rd Oprah's Book Club selection.

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