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Honestly with Bari Weiss

Douglas Murray on Joe Rogan, Hamas, and Moral Collapse in the West

Honestly with Bari Weiss

The Free Press

News, Society & Culture

4.67.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 May 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

President Donald Trump has been in office for 100 days. Israel has been at war with Hamas in Gaza for 570, and Russia and Ukraine have been at war for over 1,000.  Douglas Murray has had a front-row seat to all three of these unfolding stories, bringing us reportage and analysis that have illuminated the most urgent issues of our time.  His reporting and willingness to call out bad actors across the world and the political spectrum has earned him his fair share of adversaries. Earlier this month, Douglas went on The Joe Rogan Experience—the most popular podcast in America—to debate both Rogan and comedian-turned-pundit Dave Smith. They sparred for some three hours, with the debate earning millions of views and becoming its own viral news story.  The interview became popular in large part because Douglas refused to pull a punch. In this case that meant fighting back against antisemitism—the people that spew it and the people who fail to confront it. In this case, the kind of antisemitism rising on the online right.  George Orwell famously wrote that “to see what’s in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.” Nobody knows that better than Douglas who, unlike many of his contemporaries, never gets lost in excuse-making and needless ideological abstraction. He sees the world clearly and reports it back to us, which is a big reason why he’s such a unique and valuable voice in our era of dishonesty. That gift is on full display in his new and best-selling book, On Democracies and Death Cults, where he writes: “The story of the suffering and the heroism of October 7 and its aftermath is one that spells not just the divide between good and evil, peace and war, but between democracies and death cults.” We get into all that and much on this episode of Honestly, which was originally filmed live for our subscribers. As an aside, if you want to start participating and asking questions in my live interviews with people like Douglas, head over to TheFP.com now to subscribe. The Free Press earns a commission from any purchases made through all book links in this article. Buy tickets for SAPIR Debate“Is Donald Trump Good for the Jews?” at  ⁠sapirjournal.org/sapirdebate⁠. Listen to Wondering Jew with Mijal and Noam Visit clearme.com/honestly for two months free! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey, honestly, listeners, I want to tell you about a great podcast I think you'll appreciate.

0:04.8

It's called Unpacking Israeli History. If you read the headlines about Israel, you're only getting a tiny slice of a long, complicated story without the depth, context, or sometimes even the very basic facts.

0:17.9

One of the things we try and do here on honestly is go deeper, and that's the

0:21.9

mission of the unpacking Israeli history podcast hosted by Noam Weissman. Each week, Noam dives

0:28.6

into the fascinating and sometimes controversial events and figures that have shaped Israel's past

0:34.2

and present. Noam examines each subject from a variety of perspectives, leaning into

0:40.2

the complexities and layers around topics like how the state of Israel was founded and debates about

0:45.5

the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict. So if you're looking for a nuanced, thought-provoking

0:50.9

take on Israel, one that avoids oversimplification and political spin,

0:55.9

I think you'll love this show.

0:57.3

You can find unpacking Israeli history wherever you listen to your podcasts or catch it on YouTube.

1:03.6

From the free press, this is honestly, and I'm Barry Weiss.

1:07.4

Trump has been in office for a little more than 100 days.

1:12.1

Israel has been at war with Hamas in Gaza for 570, and Russia and Ukraine, more than a thousand. In all three

1:19.4

of these unfolding historic stories, Douglas Murray has had a front row seat, bringing us

1:25.5

reportage and analysis that have illuminated the most

1:29.0

urgent issues of our time.

1:31.6

But his reporting and willingness to call out bad actors across the world and also across

1:38.4

the political spectrum here at home has earned him his fair share of adversaries. Earlier this month, Douglas went on the Joe Rogan experience, the most popular podcast in America,

1:49.9

to debate both Joe and the comedian slash pundit Dave Smith.

1:54.5

They sparred for some three hours, and the debate got millions of views and became its own

1:59.7

viral news story.

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