One of the many perks, and there are many perks of being a Spectator subscriber,

is that you can now register to listen to our podcast without advertisements.

It's not complicated. We've made it very easy for you.

You just need to go to spectator.com.uk forward slash ad free to find out more.

Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast.

I'm Kate Andrews, the Spectator's U.S. Deputy Editor,

and your guest host of Americano this week while Freddie Gray is away.

And I'm joined by Spectator columnist Douglas Murray.

Douglas, in your column for the magazine this week,

you talk about the issue that is

probably causing the most tension and disruption between Donald Trump and his most fervent

supporters. It's not the impact of the tariffs. It's not even foreign policy, really, is the

Jeffrey Epstein files. Do you tell us more? Yes, well, as you

mention Kate, as I write about in my column, I mean the president is obviously pretty

irritated at the moment because whenever he's asked about the Epstein case or has been in

recent days, he sort of says, well, why aren't we talking about trade? Why aren't we talking about

all the successes in the country and so on? And so he really clearly doesn't want the agenda to be

dominated by a man who died six years ago now. But it does keep coming back. And I think it will keep

coming back because everything around the Epstein affair just sort of bubbles away.

There's an enormous amount that we, the public, still do not know.

There have been over the years, the decades, as you know, and people watching will know,

many prominent people who've been tied up with Jeffrey Epstein.

...