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I'm Francis Foster and I'm Constantine

Francis Foster and I'm Constantine Kissin and this is a show for you

if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

And our guests do not get more fascinating than the man we have back for the third time today

is an author and journalist Douglas Murray.

Welcome back to Trigonometry.

Well, it's very good to be with you both again, albeit virtually.

Virtually, yes indeed.

Well, that is something that is obviously affecting everybody. What do you make first of all before we dive into lots of other stuff that we want to talk about about how you know our societies are coping and handling the crisis and the situation.

Well, I mean, gosh, there's a lot there.

I mean, it depends individually people, you know, people situations are varying enormously some people

have almost seemed to regarding it as being a sort of reset or some kind of

vacation some people are being paid and being paid their salary without the inconvenience of having to go into the office and enjoying

some of the perks of that. But I think for most of us, I mean, it's just an incredibly concerning

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