Welcome back to the Podforce One podcast. I'm Miranda Devine and today I'm joined by Doug Bergam,

the Secretary of the Interior. Doug Bergam, thank you so much for joining us on Podforce

One and we're here in Pittsburgh at this energy and AI summit, which is important because AI needs a lot of energy, and you've

been tasked by the president as the drill baby drill guy, the man who is going to ensure

America's energy dominance in the future. How's that going?

Well, it's going great. And of course, with President Trump's leadership formally creating by executive order, the

National Energy Dominance Council, the NEDC.

And I know you've got some Australian roots.

So people have a hard time remembering it.

We think of like ACDC.

It's NEDC.

Because we got power. We like that. We could still have a lightning bolt It's NEDC. Because we got power, we could still have a

lightning bolt on the T-shirt. Do you like that music? Well, of the age of the era that I came from,

I mean, who doesn't like an Australian rock band? It's still touring. Yes. 50 years after founding.

True, true. We love that perseverance. But yeah, we're, so with that understanding

President Trump that we had to take a whole of government approach to reverse the prior

administration, Biden administration, really going back to the Obama years also when there was a big

push to move America away from the natural resources we had and become dependent on, on, you know,

intermittent, unreliable, expensive sources of electricity. A lot of those sources like solar

required buying material from China. So we had dependence on supply chain versus relying on, you

know, the affordable, reliable power that we have here that can come

from all kinds of sources, including, you know, geothermal, nuclear, oil, gas, coal.

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