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Hello and welcome to the Double X Gab Fest for Thursday, December 1st.

I'm Hannah Rosen, editor of Double X.

I'm here in the Washington, D.C. studio with the lovely but slightly under the weather, Kate Julian.

Hi, I'm sorry. I sound like a frog.

It's okay. The froggy. Oh, that's perfect for the Muppet movie. And we have a guest cameo appearance by the lovely and wonderful Emily Bazelon, who we haven't had on the Double X Gab Fest

for a while from the New Haven studio. Hi, Emily. Hello. Today we're going to talk about Ginger White, the

woman who has accused, no, she didn't accuse Herman Kane, the woman who says that she had a 13-year

affair with presidential candidate Herman Kane. We are not accusing this time around. Then we're

going to talk about the New York Times Magazine cover story on sex education called Teaching Good

Sex. And finally,

we're going to talk about American shopping habits and particularly Cyber Monday. So let's jump right in

with Ginger White. This is a good one, and our reaction to it has been very interesting.

After a series of sexual harassment accusations against Herman Kane, we have a woman who very calmly and with no blame in her voice has merely informing us that she has been having an affair with Herman Kane for 13 years on and off, is not in love with him, doesn't feel betrayed by him, doesn't have anything particularly bad to say. He loaned her money. She has perfectly good attitude about it, but she just thought she wanted to let us know that they've been having an affair and he flies her to see him in certain places and we should add she came forward because she didn't like the way he was talking about the women who'd accused him of sexual harassment. That's true. That's true. That's fair. And she says that a tipster had alerted some Atlanta media and she was getting calls.

Yes. She felt like it was a matter of time. She had several motivations. One, she felt like somebody else was going to come out with her story before she did. And two, she did have that sisterly slightly blaming motivation. You guys are both right where she said, you know, she felt like he was making the women look bad. And so she thought she would just come forward in sisterly way. I'd say it's kind of the perfect posture, right? I was a little in sisterhood, a little more in sorrow than in anger, and a little, I didn't have a choice. The Atlanta newscasters kept saying, and she said this herself, what possible motivation would I have? I mean, she is a person who's struggling financially. So you can imagine that is one motivation.

Could she get on some show?

Do you think these women really ever make bunny in these moments? I don't quite get that. But yes, okay. I don't know. The same reason like there's, I mean, if you look online, you'd be shocked at like, you know, how to make your child's viral video and get thus get on Good Morning America and maybe get a book. I mean, people want to make money and get famous in all sorts of ways.

And she's a person who's really struggling.

I mean, she's got several eviction notices against her, including one right now. It's clear that Herman Kane gave her some money. She's got a little bit of a checkered past because she has a restraining order against her by some friend of hers who she seems to have had. You. You know, that seemed like so nothing, though, in the end.

It sounded like she had a business dispute with her partner and they, like, yelled at each other and this woman went to court in the way that people do. And what works in her favor is that Ginger White, as you can see from this interview with the Atlanta Fox studio, has a very calm voice. I wanted to come out and give my side before it was thrown out there and made out to be

something, you know, filthy, which some people will look at this and say, well, that's exactly

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