You're listening ad-free on Amazon Music. Hello and welcome to the Double X Gab Fest from Monday, November 15th. This is Hannah Rosen. I'm the co-editor of Slates Double X. I'm here in the Washington, D.C. studio with Slates Emily Yoffy, the human guinea pig and dear prudy. Hi, Emily. Hello. Not Emily Bazelon, as we said in the last podcast.

I think that should be my name, not Emily. Not Emily Bazelon. And in the New York studios, we are joined by our managing editor Jessica Gross. Hi, Jess. Hi. Who is back from a leave and we're so happy to have her back. Today we are going to talk about three things. The first is housewives for God, or rather how the

conservative Christian community is reinterpreting the injunction for wives to submit to their husbands

and also more broadly how that plays into the Mama Grizzly phenomenon. Secondly, we are going to

talk about pink ribbon culture and whether finally, finally, the culture is backlashing against it. And then we're going to talk about pink ribbon culture and whether finally, finally, the culture is

backlashing against it. And then we're going to talk about two half topics, Angsan Suu Kyi,

mostly in praise and Thanksgiving, mostly in protest. Actually, not really. I love Thanksgiving.

Anyway, we'll get to that in a moment. So let's start with the housewives of God. I understand

that this is more

my obsession than the obsession of anybody else. Having written about Christian culture for many,

many years, the things that are happening now to Christian and conservative women just utterly

fascinate me. And so I use the story in this week's New York Times magazine, which my husband and other people

described as boring as an excruciatingly boring as a launching off point for my own personal

obsession on what I think is going on. So does anybody want to ask me a question or do I have to

ask you questions? Why don't you ask yourself a question? Well, Hannah, I'll just have this

conversation with myself. I'll ask you a question.

Okay.

You know, I thought it was really interesting what they said particularly about black culture and how, you know, the woman that they mostly profiled is a black woman who's very prominent in evangelical circles and claims to submit to her husband.

But at the same time has this incredibly

egalitarian marriage slash high-powered career. So my question is twofold. Number one, has this always

just for a long time, at least been lip service to submitting to your husband? And really,

people have done what they want. and it's just more coming to the

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