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Welcome to the Double X Gap Fest for Thursday, July 24th, the Kim K. Skills Edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, back in the D. the DC studio, and I'm joined in New York

by Jessica Winter, editor and writer at Slate. Hi, Jessica. Hey, Hannah. Welcome back. Thank you.

And Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Hannah. Hi. So before we get into our topics,

I'm going to answer an old listener email because June kindly forwarded me a couple of listener emails about Orange is New Black showing my book The End of Men.

One came from Madeline Inber in Australia saying, how does Hana feel about this? So this is a completely like Hanah-centric little intro that I'm going to do here is my welcome back. And I would say I felt awesome. It's,

you know, it was even they like, they didn't do what the book says. They did sort of what the

book represents, right? It's not like anything that was actually in the book was accurate to how

they were portraying the book. But I love that even more. I mean, there was like Healy, the

prison guard huddled in a completely gray shot, but the book is in like neon

yellow and pink. So that was cool. And he was kind of in a panic about the end of men. And then

Pensatucky, who he was talking to, kind of got it right, like her feelings about, you know,

well, men never did anything good for me. And, you know, she sort of had the closest to correct take. The way they ended it was even better where it was like the men, but the men actually are in charge when they had that final scene where the prison guard, what's her name, the, um, Figueroa. Her husband was having an affair with another man at the end. So you felt like that was the final say on it. Well, it's not

really the end of men because, you know, he's the one who's the most powerful guy in the show. He's about to become a politician. So it was cool. It was cool all around. Did you like this season of Orange was a New Black? Me? You know, I have to admit that I kind of lost my, I watched a little bit. It was all downhill after your cameo.

No, I like skip lost my, I watched a little bit.

And then I was all downhill after your cameo. No, I like skipped to my cameo because it was on Twitter and I felt like an idiot. Like shouldn't I watch, you know, I don't know. Shouldn't I watch it? So I skipped forward and then I never went back again. Somehow watching it out of order turned me off. Like it made it seem smaller. If you don't follow the storyline the natural way, then it doesn't, it doesn't grip you or something. I don't know. How about you guys?

I wasn't as into this season. It was kind of a leading question. It was too obviously for the

end of men crowd, to be honest with you. They were targeting us. I thought the Slate Spoiler special they did on

Orange is the New Black got to my minor issue with the second season, which is that it's starting

to go out of its way to humanize the characters. Like every single character on the show,

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