Welcome to Roon Soup, a weekly podcast about magic, culture and the paranormal.

My name is Gordon and I shall be your host.

This week we are debuting a sporadic new show format.

For the double-talking episodes, we bring back two prior guests for a three-headed discussion about shared topics.

First cabs off the rank are Dr Al Cummins and Julia Oddie and the topic will be all

things practically grimouarek.

Before we begin a little heads up,

the Skype weasles failed to pedal hard enough on their little bikes

at a few points to keep up with a three-way video discussion.

At least that's how I assume the internet's work anyway. So kindly bear with the few digital

wobbles. The discussion is very much worth your time.

Dr. Al, Giulio. Thank you both for playing Salomania.

Hello. Oh, oh.

All right, so you guys are the experiment.

I figured it might be useful and frankly fun to get some previous guests on who can you know have a

chat from a range of different perspectives around some of the podcast topics. And so this one is of course Grimoise,

so we're going to start with topic discussion,

perhaps rather than question the first.

Are the Grimoires a separate thing from European books of magic and if

so how and uh... julio just made a face we're doing this in video for people listening

so i'm going to throw it over to

Julia first and then Dr. L.

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