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Woman's Hour

Double jeopardy fight, Fertility rates, SRY tests, Wool sourcing

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 28 August 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

New ONS stats show that fertility rates are the lowest in England and Wales since 1938 when they were first recorded. Dr Bernice Kuona is researcher in fertility and family relationships at the University of Southampton and explains the research to Anita Rani.

Ann Ming’s 22-year-old daughter Julie went missing in Billingham, County Durham, in 1989. The police launched an investigation but following a search of Julie’s house they failed to find her. Three months after Julie’s disappearance, Ann went to Julie’s house and stumbled across her daughter's remains. Ann’s 17-year fight for justice has now been turned into a four part ITV drama called I Fought the Law starring Sheridan Smith as Ann. Ann joins Anita to talk about her battle to overturn the 800-year-old British Double Jeopardy law and her determination to fight for justice.

The World Athletics Championships starts in Tokyo on 13 September. Ahead of that, from next Monday, World Athletics will require all athletes competing in the female category to undergo a one-time test for the SRY gene, or ‘sex determining region Y’ gene. World Athletics says this test is ‘a reliable proxy for determining biological sex’. BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan explains the test, the reasons why World Athletics have introduced it, and the wider implications for the debates around biological sex and inclusion in sports.

Justine Lee is a knitwear designer of 30 years who fell out of love with fast fashion. Her latest work focuses on helping to protect the future of British rare breed sheep. She works with shepherds and wool producers, mostly women, and has knitted swatches from all 62 rare-breed sheep to show the versatility of the wool. She joins Anita to discuss her work with farmers, her knitwear designs and her new book which showcases the wool.

Presenter: Anita Rani Producer: Corinna Jones

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Rory Stewart and I grew up wanting to be a hero and I'm still fascinated by the ideas of heroism.

0:09.0

In my new series, I'm taking in the long sweep of history from Achilles to Zelensky and asking, what is a hero?

0:16.0

Simply doing your job, being a decent human being.

0:20.0

A true hero is someone who just kind of shines by

0:23.1

their own light and that light is to be recognised by others. The long history of heroism with me,

0:28.6

Rory Stewart. Listen on BBC Sounds. Hello, I'm Anita Rani and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC

0:36.1

Radio 4. Good morning and welcome to the program.

0:39.4

There's a new drama beginning on ITV called I Fought the Law. It stars Sheridan Smith, who plays

0:45.6

Anne Ming. Anne's daughter Julie was murdered in 1989, but the murderer was acquitted. The double

0:52.8

Jeopardy Rule in law meant he couldn't be tried for the same crime twice.

0:57.2

Anne spent 17 years fighting to change the law and succeeded. I'll be speaking to Anne Ming shortly.

1:03.6

Ahead of the World Athletics Championship, which starts on September 13th in Tokyo,

1:07.6

World Athletics will require all athletes competing in the female category to undergo a one-time test to determine their biological sex.

1:16.4

We'll be getting the details shortly.

1:18.4

And The Wonder of Wool is a new coffee table book celebrating British sheep and all things woolly.

1:24.6

Knitware designer Justine Lee, who's written the book, went back into education

1:28.7

after learning about the environmental cost of fashion. One shocking finding of hers was we wear an

1:34.6

item of clothing five times before we throw it away. So this morning, I'd like you all to share

1:41.4

your clothes stories. How do you shop? Do you love a vintage shop, or as we once used to call them second-hand shops? Are you someone who needs to buy something new every week? Wear once and then, and then what? You can remain anonymous. Or tell me about the treasured item you've kept for years and years. A hand-me-down, a moth-munched jumper that was once maybe grannies. Or if you simply want to share your love of wool and knitting, then please get in touch. In the usual way, the text number is 84844. You can email the program by going to our website, and the WhatsApp number is 0,700-100-444. And if you'd like to follow us on social media, it's at BBC

2:18.9

Woman's Hour. But the text number once again, 84844. First, though, the fertility rate has fallen

2:25.9

for the third year in a row to reach a record low in England, Wales and Scotland. Figures

2:30.9

from the Office for National Statistics show that the average number of

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