Hey, pull up a chair. It's hacks on tap with David Axelrod, Robert Gibbs, a little bit.

Great job! And then I don't pay the company that does it, right? And then I end up with a story Trump doesn't pay

I don't pay contractors that do a shitty job and that's a shitty job that's a

shitty job you can't read a word all All right, there you have it.

He's back on the trail after weeks in the courtroom and 34 convictions, Robert Gibbs.

Donald Trump is back.

He sounds tan-rested and rediacs. I mean that's the soothing voice of a man in

control of his teleprompter. He's red-faced, ready and whatever. But we have with us someone who can tell us maybe better

than anyone how all this is going to play with American voters.

Sarah Longwell, who does the excellent podcast,

the focus group, also publisher of the bulwark,

and probably high up on the list of people who

Donald Trump thinks the DOJ should be investigating in 2025 a

renegade Republican, broken away Republican.

Sarah, welcome.

Thanks so much for having me and thank you for putting into the universe

that I'm going to get audited.

The second Trump is back in office.

Oh, that's no secret, my friend.

That's circulating.

That's circulating.

Yes, you better have those bulwark books in order.

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