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My castaway this week is Doreen Lawrence.

Because of her campaigning over nearly 20 years, public attitudes have shifted, laws have changed,

and policing methods have been overhauled.

The life she thought was hers ended when her son was murdered by a group of young white men

on a street in Southeast London in the spring of 1993.

She says, since my son Stephen was killed with such arrogance and contempt,

I've had a different life, one that I can hardly recognise as my own.

And so Doreen Lawrence, this is included advising at the highest level at the home office,

at the police, you're also on the council of the human rights organisation Liberty.

And back in 2003, you awarded Noobie for services to community relations.

Listening to all of that, how does that sit with you as a person?

Is that to you to talk about somebody else?

Because part of that I don't recognise me.

The campaign in years definitely was me, because my son was special,

and I think what happened to him, I just wanted everybody to know and learn about him.

But all the other things, the Noobie, I would swap all of that, just have my son back.

And this sense that you are a public person, that I'm sure, I'm sure people must give you an odd in the streets

or greet you in the shops or come up to your events, and they feel like they know you.

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