Doree Shafrir On The Out Of Control IVF Train
Death, Sex & Money
Slate Audio
4.6 • 7.7K Ratings
🗓️ 7 April 2026
⏱️ 44 minutes
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Summary
When Doree Shafrir started fertility treatments in her late thirties, she thought it would be relatively simple. It ended up taking multiple rounds and sinking her family into debt.
Doree and her husband host the podcast Matt and Doree's Eggcellent Adventure: An IVF Journey. She also co-hosts Forever 35, and writes the work advice column for Slate, Good Job.
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| 0:00.0 | Whether or not to have kids is a question we tackle here on the show from time to time. |
| 0:05.7 | Recently, we had audio maker Helena de Groot on about her decision not to become a parent. |
| 0:11.6 | And that episode resonated with a lot of you, according to our inbox. |
| 0:15.8 | One listener named Meredith wrote, |
| 0:17.6 | I look around and envy those who seem so sure of what they want. |
| 0:22.2 | Hearing Helena say that we don't acknowledge doubt enough really unlocked something for me. |
| 0:27.5 | Just because you could have some doubt about a decision your whole life, it doesn't mean you made the wrong choice. |
| 0:33.7 | What a freeing thought. |
| 0:35.7 | I agree with Meredith. |
| 0:36.9 | It's easy to think other people are confident about their life choices because doubt, like regret, is often something we shoulder alone, often with shame, quietly. |
| 0:49.4 | And then, of course, when it comes to deciding to have a child, there can be whole other layers of challenges and distress when you want to have a child but need help. |
| 1:00.8 | Maybe you're a queer family or a family where pregnancy just hasn't happened for you in the way you wished. |
| 1:06.7 | And you've gotten thrust into the adoption process or IVF, something that's not only time-consuming |
| 1:13.0 | and uncertain, but also expensive. |
| 1:16.9 | Just a few weeks back, |
| 1:17.9 | Grant Platner, a Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate and Maine, |
| 1:21.3 | told me about traveling to Norway with his wife for IVF |
| 1:24.4 | because it was a fourth of the cost of what they'd have to pay closer to home. |
| 1:30.1 | This has made me remember something we made a few years back, an episode with many of your |
| 1:35.1 | experiences that we called Your Infertility Stories have many different endings. |
| 1:41.9 | Because it was years ago, that's buried deep down in your podcast feed. |
| 1:46.1 | So this week, we pulled it up to the top of our Slate Plus feed. So it's just a click away to hear |
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