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🗓️ 19 November 2025
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The history of Doping in women's gymnastics staring East Germany, part two of Patrick Kiens and Daymon Jones' interview, USA Gymnastics' new CEO hire, the return of the American Cup, 2027 college signings and a LA 2028 comeback wish list mini-commission. youtube link
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00:00 – Steroids Disguised as Candy (Cold Open)
01:35 – HEADLINES: New USAG CEO Kyle Albrecht
04:41 – American Cup Returns as Mixed-Team Event
07:07 – College Signings: 2027 Class Breakdown
12:11 – United States of Romania: Romanian Stars Announce NCAA Plans
14:14 – More 2027 Signees: UCLA, Oklahoma, Utah, LSU, Georgia, Cal
16:52 – Elite Paths, Injuries & Why Some Elites Skip NCAA Signing
17:26 – DOPING DEEP DIVE (Part 1): East Germany's System Exposed
20:21 – How the GDR Program Worked: State-Run, Double-Blind, Children Targeted
22:31 – "Candy Steroids" & Personality-Based Doping Assignments
23:36 – What Drugs They Used & Why They Worked in Gymnastics
24:36 – Growth-Plate Closure, Neuro Drugs & Long-Term Damage
26:04 – Cadaver-Gland HGH & CJD Risk
27:41 – Reactions in 1989–1990 When the Stasi Files Were Opened
29:06 – IOC Refuses to Strip GDR Medals
29:47 – Missy Marlow Responds: "Where Did All the East Germans Go?"
30:34 – Should Medals Be Corrected or Re-Awarded?
34:13 – Abuse vs. Doping: Who Should Be Punished?
35:36 – Why These Lessons Still Matter for Today's Gymnastics
36:15 – ROMANIA UPDATE: Responses to Patrick & Daymon Interview
37:19 – Maria Holbură Speaks: "I Had to Stand Like a Soldier"
38:24 – NEW Abuse Video of Sabrina Voinea Surfaces
39:00 – Why Romanian Athletes Are Going to the Press
39:54 – INTERVIEW: Patrick & Daymon Part 2 Intro
40:06 – Jakarta Worlds: Overall Impressions
40:26 – Judging Shoutout: Silvia Brescia Nails It
41:47 – Artistry Judging Finally Taken Seriously
42:37 – Floor Choreography Evolving: "You're a Director Now"
43:18 – Consistency Across Subdivisions & Post-Olympic Judging Trends
44:18 – Should US Team Selection Use International Judges?
45:20 – Category Bias: Why Outside Eyes Matter
46:23 – Storyworth Ad Read (Spencer's Mom's Skirt Story)
49:54 – Huel Ad Read (Daily Greens + Peach Flavor Stan Club)
51:55 – Should Trials Use the Same Equipment Brand as Worlds?
53:22 – Equipment Access Inequities: US vs Europe
54:17 – Training Camps & Jet Lag Protocols
55:57 – "Survival of the Fittest": US System vs Small-Nation Systems
56:09 – Should Worlds Allow Traveling Alternates?
57:04 – Why Alternates Need the Experience
57:35 – Daily Logistics in Jakarta: Hotel, Volunteers, Food, Illness
59:07 – Only One Training Time per Day: The Reality
01:00:51 – FIG Cost-Cutting & Why Fewer Trainings Exist Now
01:02:04 – FIG Understaffing Concerns
01:03:12 – White Landing Mats: Visibility & Safety Issues
01:03:52 – Coaches' Round Table: No Questions Allowed?!
01:04:12 – Fujitsu 3D Judging System: Still Vaporware?
01:06:02 – What the Athletes Learned from Jakarta
01:07:31 – Dulcinea's Experience: Making Finals & Next Steps
01:08:32 – Upgrades, Code Exploration & Smart Routine Building
01:10:20 – Why E-Score Matters as Much as D-Score
01:11:03 – Routine Construction in the U.S.: A Long-Standing Problem
01:12:18 – Why International Judges Should Be Involved in Routine Design
01:14:12 – Long-Term Vision for Building a Program
01:14:46 – MINI COMMISSION INTRO: Comeback Wishlist for LA28
01:15:05 – Christy's Brief: "Who Should Come Back for 2028?"
01:15:25 – Spencer Prepares Emotionally
01:16:22 – Jessica's #1 Pick: Casey Jo Magee on Beam
01:17:56 – Spencer's #1 Pick: McKayla Maroney (All-Around Queen)
01:18:25 – Also Spencer: Brenna Dowell Comeback Campaign
01:19:10 – Jessica's #2 Pick: Vanessa Atler
01:20:04 – Spencer's 2009–2016 Alt Universe Superteam
01:21:00 – Pre-Paris Retirees: Who Should Return Now?
01:21:28 – JJ Marshall + Bailey Key + More Forgotten Talents
01:22:00 – The Gabby Douglas Rule ("No Today Show Comebacks")
01:23:04 – Why Gymnasts Need Real Meets Before Announcing
01:24:00 – College Head Coach Comeback Team?! (Casey Jo, Wieber, Preece, Tabitha)
01:25:10 – Cecile as Beam Queen? Citizenship Questions
01:26:07 – Tabitha Yim as the Secret Weapon
01:26:50 – Shawn Johnson? Nastia? Maybe Not.
01:27:03 – Chelsea/Alicia Self-Selecting Themselves for Paris (Chaos Edition)
01:28:32 – Join Club Gym Nerd / Fantasy Notes
01:29:11 – GYMTERNET NEWS: NCAA Schedule + ABC/ESPN Slate
01:30:03 – All-Japan Results + Aurora Tribute Routine by Kenzo
01:31:18 – FEEDBACK: Obi Cam Praise + Cocopuff the Pomeranian
01:32:38 – YouTube Subscriptions & Comment Rules
01:33:35 – Junior Worlds Preview: "It's in a Ballroom!"
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| 0:00.0 | And I think some of the anecdotes that really bring that home are talking about how the gymnasts were given these drugs in like candies and gum. |
| 0:10.3 | Yes. |
| 0:11.0 | So it was like the, you were, it was like the reward. |
| 0:14.0 | You were like, oh, I get the gum today. |
| 0:16.5 | And then it's, that's the steroids, which I think really brings it home that these are children. |
| 0:22.4 | Yeah. |
| 0:22.7 | That they're giving this to. |
| 0:23.7 | Like, you hide, you hit it into candy so that they didn't know what was happening. |
| 0:28.6 | And they were excited to get candy. |
| 0:31.6 | Remember, the show is PG-13, so you might hear a naughty word or two. |
| 0:36.6 | Think doping isn't a problem in women's gymnastics. |
| 0:40.5 | Think again. |
| 0:41.6 | New research contextualized from Uncle Tim. |
| 0:45.9 | Commits and non-commits to college gymnastics, we will discuss. |
| 0:49.5 | The second part of our interview with Damon and Patrick about the U.S. |
| 0:53.6 | judging, world judging, |
| 0:54.5 | and the camp selection process here in the United States, and a mini commission about our |
| 0:59.8 | fantasy comebacks for the LA 28 Olympics. Okay, today is November 17th, 2025, and welcome to |
| 1:08.7 | the number one to NASA podcast in the Galaxy. |
| 1:11.3 | I'm Jessica. |
| 1:15.9 | I'm here with The Great Spencer Barnes from the Belmont situation. |
| 1:17.9 | You're setting a great. You're setting a precedent. |
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