Hello and welcome to the MinMax show. I'm Ben Hanson joined in studio by Jeff Marcia Fava. Social distancing. Really keeping his distance. Thank you

for being here Jeff. It's an honor, but we're not alone,

thankfully. We have out of the shadows, Kyle Hilliard!

Ah! Special effects. Welcome, we have Surreal Vasquez.

Hello! From his freaky dormitory and then first time on the MinMax Show podcast in particular,

Matt Burtz.

Hello guys.

Oh my gosh.

It's been a while.

Yeah, we had you for a standalone discussion talking about your life after game

informer and then also talking about Rainbow Six Patriots, but how have you been? Where have you been? What have you been up to?

I've been busy. I'm in the consulting game now, so a lot of research and

game playing, which is fun, playing games that are not in a state for the consumer yet but being able to offer your feedback

you know at the early juncture is empowering I like it.

Yeah does it has it changed your perspective on the industry like a game informer

you were there for so long I feel like you had a good handle

and at least from the press vantage point into how you know some things work in the industry

but does this spend in like an eye-opening experience for you overall?

Yeah speaking to the consumers is really an interesting to hear from, you know, the actual players go beyond the Reddit,

rage lines, you know, that you're seeing everywhere and having frank conversations with people and then on the

business side you know it's you learn about how many different stakeholders are in a particular company

and how there's such a push and pull throughout the organization around a game.

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