Donald Trump Vs. Reality Itself
What Next | Daily News and Analysis
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4.3 • 2.4K Ratings
🗓️ 7 August 2025
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Donald Trump’s never been all that committed to the truth. But experts are warning that by firing the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics and appointing loyalists across the judiciary, he’s taken his war on facts to another level. How long can he attempt to remake reality before the truth—someday, eventually, but inevitably—hits back?
Guest: David A Graham, staff writer at the Atlantic.
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| 1:05.1 | I have three young kids, 10, 8 and 2 years old. And one of the big things I've learned |
| 1:13.5 | since becoming a parent is that little kids lie. Not sometimes, like all the time. And they're |
| 1:22.4 | usually not even very smart about it. It's like everyday things. I'll ask one of them, |
| 1:27.0 | did you clean your room? |
| 1:28.0 | And they'll say, yes, and then I'll walk into the bedroom. And it hasn't been cleaned. So, |
| 1:33.7 | okay. When stuff like that happens, I'm like, do you think I'm dumb? Do you think this is going to |
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