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This is the political scene, a weekly conversation with New Yorker writers and editors about politics.

It's Friday, November 11th. I'm Dorothy Wickenden, executive editor of the New Yorker.

President Obama met at the White House yesterday with President-elect Donald Trump.

Most of all, I want to emphasize to you, Ms. President-elect, that we now are going to want to do

everything we can to help you succeed, because if you succeed, then the country succeeds.

Jill Lepore and Evan Osnose join me to discuss periods of enormous social upheaval in this country and the populist movements behind them.

Thank you both for joining me on this historic week.

Hi, Dorothy.

Good to be here.

Jill, let's start by going back to the 19th century,

to the greatest crisis in American history. You write in the magazine this week very interestingly

about Frederick Douglass, who gave a speech in Philadelphia in 1862 just after the start of the Civil

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