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Donald Trump and the campus speech wars

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🗓️ 30 March 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In the wake of a crackdown by the Trump administration on universities with threats to withhold funding following protests on campuses, Manveen Rana talks to Times columnist and a self-described free speech absolutist and academic Sir Niall Ferguson.

This podcast was brought to you thanks to the support of readers of The Times and The Sunday Times. Subscribe today: http://thetimes.com/thestory

Guest: Sir Niall Ferguson, historian and Times columnist. 

Host: Manveen Rana. 

Producers: Emily Webb and Edward Drummond.

Further reading: How DEI, cancel culture and bad boards are killing our universities

Clips: National Conservatism, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC News, CBS News, ABC News, Forbes.

Photo: Getty Images.

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0:00.0

Behind this door is uncertainty. Neighbours reported a break-in, smash glass. It could be a false alarm.

0:10.7

It could be a burglary. Someone could still be inside. They could be dangerous. So, are you going in?

0:23.8

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0:32.5

he was in a relationship with an attractive young teacher at his school and he thought he was the luckiest boy in the world.

0:39.5

But when she walked out of his life, everything started to unravel.

0:43.9

35 years later, everyone's acting like it never happened, and Gareth wants to understand why.

0:50.4

How about the truth? How about we do that first, and then we work out where we're going to go from there?

0:54.6

How about the truth?

0:55.8

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1:01.4

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1:10.5

From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story.

1:15.0

I'm Manvine Rana.

1:19.8

Even before he was vice president, J.D. Vance had stood in front of a conference of national

1:28.7

conservatism and declared the country had a new enemy.

1:34.8

I think if any of us want to do the things that we want to do for our country and for the people

1:39.1

who live in it, we have to honestly and aggressively attack the universities in this country.

1:49.0

That attack is now underway.

1:52.0

The President said that all federal funding will be cut to schools, allowing, quote, illegal protests.

1:57.0

The Trump administration canceling $400 million worth of grants and contracts for Columbia University,

2:04.1

citing what they call consistent inaction in the face of, quote, persistent harassment of Jewish

2:09.7

students.

2:10.7

Meanwhile, running parallel to these investigations and threats, the Trump administration

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