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🗓️ 2 December 2025
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The CEO of the United States Anti-Doping Agency – and the man who caught Lance Armstrong – has advice for Lydia. It’s not what she’s expecting.
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Reporter - Lydia Gard
Producer - Gary Marshall.
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| 0:00.0 | The Observer. |
| 0:05.0 | All right, well have a lovely evening and thank you again for your time. |
| 0:17.0 | By now I've spoken to more than 50 free divers, from judges and medics to coaches and athletes. |
| 0:23.4 | When this began, I was calling people I know personally, and closing each conversation with the same question. |
| 0:29.4 | Who should I speak to next? |
| 0:32.8 | And as I followed up on those leads across every time zone on the map, one thing has become |
| 0:37.9 | clear. Everyone has a strong opinion on the subject of doping, and everyone has an opinion |
| 0:43.6 | on the scandal, on the Croatians. But much of what I'm hearing is still passed on rumour, |
| 0:50.4 | gossip, and to a certain degree it's a misinformation cascade. Until one afternoon, I'm sitting at |
| 0:57.8 | home wrapping up an interview, and a message appears on my phone from a source. Word has spread |
| 1:04.3 | that I'm investigating the scandal. I've received several unsolicited messages across email, Instagram and WhatsApp, I've probably |
| 1:12.6 | heard from a dozen people through the grapevine. Some have interesting new thoughts to add. |
| 1:18.9 | Others just want to vent. And that's indicative of a community at war with itself. So I'm assuming |
| 1:25.4 | this will be more of the same. But this particular message is different. |
| 1:30.3 | It's a forwarded voice note. |
| 1:33.3 | It's not really doping, but, and I'm not sure, I mean, it would take away the pain, but it could also take away your sharpness. |
| 1:43.3 | I've listened to enough of his interviews and YouTube videos to recognize instantly who's speaking. |
| 1:49.0 | It's Vitamir Marichich, and he's talking about benzos. |
| 1:53.0 | In a voice note, he's sent to a less experienced diver. |
| 1:57.0 | This feels like a breakthrough, an insight into how he speaks about this sort of thing in private. |
| 2:03.6 | The way it starts, it feels like it's going to unravel into something, a confession perhaps. |
| 2:08.8 | He talks about his experience of taking diazepam, a type of benzodiazepine, in a competition dive. |
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